Poor Service

In my very short time in here, my experience was horrible. Two of the moderators keep requiring me to edit my character application, which matches the standards, to match their own taste and liking.

Daemon Chase and Nishwishes should have a seminar and reevaluation. The staff members should serve an example to the members and follow their own regulations.

I apologize for being rude but I just hate it when people who are in power don't follow the regulations they've set themselves. It is just sheer stupid.

Imagine that there is a cop carrying a signboard that reads, "No loitering,". After a few minutes, the cop drops a crumpled paper on the ground and leaves it there. A pedestrian walks pass him, tosses a piece of candy wrapper on the ground and the pedestrian gets in trouble for it.

Daemon Chase and Nishwishes required me to add more on my character's battle style. They want me to add a paragraph or elaborate.

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Battle Style: (Specific type or battle style)

To begin with, this is a pointless field because no two battles are the same and tactics will change to match the current situation. Besides, it absolutely doesn't need a paragraph. Until you edit the trainer template, only then will I commit the necessary changes.

I've removed the nickname field on my character application as I do not wish to give him a nickname, and this is why Daemon Chase didn't approve my application.

An example of an approved trainer application with its nickname field removed.
Another example.

I've seen approved applications with modified or altered templates. The administrators' approved characters have modified templates. This is completely unfair to normal members while placing the administrations in a superior position.

An example of a staff member with a modified approved trainer application.
An example of an ordinary member with an approved trainer application with the formatting not matching the template's.

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Moves: (only 1 TM and Egg Move allowed to start with + known moves at the right level. Infinite moves allowed! We prefer you state which generation that Pokémon learns that TM/HM/EM. USE GEN VI LEARNSET!)

I have followed the template's instructions to the best of my understanding. Above, it says that infinite moves is allowed. Clearly, it's not a must but, the two moderators kept forcing me to list all the moves just because they don't feel comfortable with it. There is no point in listing all of a Pokemon's moves because I do not wish to use the other moves and will only use four moves. It will just take up space and clutter my trainer application.


These staff members should practice what they preach and stop being a mess of contradictions. I've reasoned out with the two but they just refused to lose the arguments. That is, I win an argument beyond a reasonable doubt, and yet they are still desperately trying to win the argument.

Good bye.

*pokes Matt*

Yo. Want proof/evidence? Look what this guy said.

Taking a look at this entire situation, I can conclude from existing evidence and discussion that you spoke to only Daemon and Nishwishes about approval of your character template of the entire staff, and then it seems that they wanted you to do such twice.

I will merit that your template seems to meet the standards (I have not looked it through 100% as of this moment). It is the staff's responsibility to ensure that you get the most out of your character and experience. Sometimes this means they ask for further details about your character, even if your template already meets "the standard." Others it means they make suggestions you could use to improve.

Having said this, it is not typical of a staff member to force you to change anything if it meets the current standard. Based on your chat snippet in your character application, I fail to see how Daemon forced you to do anything. I see words such as "suggestion," and "think" in his post(s) of response. When he wasn't sure, he openly admitted this and said he could ask Avaritia and get back to you, Ava being the head administrator of the forum this moment. Albeit he said this in addition to a "no one has ever done this before" sort of statement (since he may not have encountered this).

As for Nish, I can see a bit of error in regards to the chat snippet of "it must be important," since only two people of the staff wrote on it. I will also merit that any comments about being "rude" should have been taken into private message instead of publicly posted, and there will be necessary action taken.

As per the template modification of not including "Nickname..." I will merit that it is your choice, as the member, to include this field and others that may be optional or not (though I think Nickname is really the only one that could be unincluded without harm to an application upon quick analysis mentally). Referencing my past paragraph, I fail to see how Daemon "forced" you to include this field.

It is also your choice as a member to modify the template to your liking as long as it addresses all the basic and necessary information, ie the name, location of birth, etc. It is NOT only administrators or staff who had modified the template, and no one has said you are not allowed to do so; however, most new users don't modify the template in any fashion or present it to another member before posting.

In regards to your opinion about the "Battle Style" field, I would personally recommend you place that in the "Suggestions" forum. It holds no relation to your topic of poor service on the forum that I can tell, but would be a welcome idea for improvement on the character template.

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In regards to Bryan:
Please keep your posts out of the trainer creation forum when NOT posting in your own character applications. This has been pointed out to other members, and it is no different for you yourself. Based on my above paragraph about a staff member's responsibility to help improve character applications, Nishwishes suggesting / asking for further detail is allowed (though if the user wants the application submitted in approval, it must be approved IF all rules and standards are met and logic is present).

Also, in regards to both of these situations, I state the following again:
If one staff member disagrees, then if another disagrees, head to the next staff member that can handle the job. There is more than 1-2 for a reason, after all, and everyone views things differently.

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So, in conclusion:
1. There is no exact evidence of a forced edit available. Daemon in no way forced an edit, nor did Nish. However, behavior on both sides could have been a bit better in regards to the situation, and necessary action will be delved into in regards to staff participation.
2. The character template may be modified by any member at any given point as long as it includes the basic information necessary for a character. It is simply recommended for first trainers you use the template without modification unless you contact a staff member about the modification first (for first trainer). Administrators, and other staff, therefore, have no superiority over members in regards to the template.
3. Staff asking for further details in character applications is merited due to their responsibility to help improve character applications based on logic or fairness to other members. This does NOT mean, however, that responsibility can be exaggerated beyond typical heights.
4. The "Battle Style" portion would be better as a suggestion than being placed in this topic.

Matthew, you handle situations perfectly and professionally. Among all the staff members, you're the one I respect most now.



[20:19:39 25/05/14] @ Aomine : It's strange that I was thinking the character template might need to be updated and here there is a topic about it.
[20:21:34 25/05/14] @ Aomine : Ian, you have no objections to the idea of Matt reworking the character template do you?
[20:23:54 25/05/14] @ Daemon Chase : uh depends what is being added or left out I didn't see the changed template yet
[20:24:00 25/05/14] The Alpha Centauri : Heyo
[20:25:13 25/05/14] Hana Ryder : Hi Alpha
[20:25:17 25/05/14] @ Aomine : I'm going to ask him if he's willing to do it, since he had quite a bit to say in response to that post.
[20:25:39 25/05/14] @ Aomine : It seems reasonable that he'd have some ideas after that.




Good. Do it.

I'm not sure what to add that Fang hasn't already, but here are a couple of my thoughts:


I am slightly curious, what exactly are the moderators doing to be hypocritical? They are held to the same standards as everyone else, and they, too, have to edit their apps if the staff checking them requests them too. Nish does hold higher standards when it comes to trainer apps, and yours isn't the only one she's requested more information on. You got another opinion about it from Daemon, and if unhappy with both, you could always approach an Administrator about your case.

For battle style, they said to elaborate, though Nish did grant that it didn't have to be quite a paragraph, but to each their own. We can't force you to edit if you don't want to, and I will say that the field requirements aren't as specific as they should be, opening it up to interpretation. I guess the staff and you interpret it in different ways. Though you see it as a pointless field, it's still a requirement, and has been so since I've been here.

I'm fine with removing the Nickname field, so long as it's the only thing removed. As for altering templates, any member is allowed to do it so long as all information is present, as Fang said. It's not recommended for your first trainer, as information is sometimes neglected when things are rearranged and the modifier isn't yet familiar with the template.

As for learnset, though you may not use the moves, it's logical that your Pokemon would still know those naturally learned through level up. If your adamant about not having more than four moves, perhaps you could add in your history about visiting the Move Deletor, or else it would be illogical that your Pokemon wouldn't know moves that the rest of its kind naturally do. Just a suggestion, if you do choose to stay.

Bryan if you're going to contribute nothing to the discussion at hand please refrain from posting in topics. There's little relevance in your copying something I said in the chat box, especially when Matt will know I've asked him about this once he checks his Skype. If you have nothing to add other than one liner comments and copy/pasted information that holds no relevance I'm going to have to ask you to stop posting in topics like this one.

I know I'm not a admin, but can I tell you what I saw while he was there? He was very rude, disrespectful, and just plain mean to the mods and admins in the chat. The chat he has copy and pasted is taken out of context. When asked to modify his application, he became aggressive and defensive. Asking" Well it doesn't say that." Or " Maybe you should fix your template or stick behind it."


For me while I was in the chat, I felt he was just plain rude and I personally believe for him to be quite impatient.

Originally, I typed up a long post here filled with quotes but oh fucking yes, Darkrai summarized everything. Darkrai, I truly hope that you help me with this. You and everyone has said that my methods are wrong. I admit it and I hate how, with my mind, it's the only way I see. If someone were to take over my job, I would seriously quit the site and leave it all up to that person, who is more capable.

Someone like you.

Darkrai is a FIRST GENERATION admin. Learn something from him. This only proves my point that the new generation (most), are a failure compared to the first. You're supposed to be better. I hope the support from Darkrai would make you, Avaritia, and your team, reconsider everything and look at a mirror.

Oh and, Blue is nothing but a demonstration. Nice research on the proxies. I give you that.

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I'm fine with removing the Nickname field, so long as it's the only thing removed.

"The staff have divided opinions. This is something you don't see in other forums. Get a staff member, boom, disagree with you. Get another, disagree again with you. Get yet another one, boom, agrees with you. It's more of a 'find the one who will agree with you' thing here." - Shadow (a few months ago).

I'm a first generation Administrator. If you're going to try and do shit like that you'd better be sure you aren't playing such cards against one of the people who headed the first generation of staff here Shadow. I absolutely loath it when you throw that around, first generation staff saying it was better when it wasn't. I should know, I was there and behind the scenes and no one can say that they were any better than the current generation of staff except for the current generation of staff, or the old generation of staff. There's only two of us around to speak on the behalf of the older generation, and the past is the past anyway. You claim you want to move the site forward but all you do is talk about how the site used to be. We won't change anything going back to that, you should know that by know. Sometimes I wonder if you're just doing this because you miss everyone who left or you're just distraught about things.